wesam the wicked · Jul 23, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

hi i just wanted to ask if ne one had ne opinion or technical info on sundering mod, bow string in particular...

i just wanna get some info on what impact it REALLy makes...and ive come up with this much so far...

once in every 10 hits, ur weapon does X amount of damage extra...

ne input is appreciated... thanks again

Mind Wallaby · Jul 23, 2005, 04:55 PM // 16:55

No, it's not worth it. A perfect 10% Sundering upgrade will only decrease your target's armor by an expected 1%. That is, over a large number of hits, a perfect Sundering is equivalent to a constant 1% AP which is barely anything.

sino-soviet · Jul 23, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

Basically, it is the worst upgrade for a bow you can possibly choose. Vampiric and zealous are infinitely better.

SlY_DeMoN · Jul 23, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Mabye if you took the time to spell *your* words I would care.

Mandy Memory · Jul 23, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33

I like my sundering sword. I could live with a barbed or furious though. Its not the worst upgrade (for swords at least) but its not the best.

Rajamic · Jul 24, 2005, 02:25 AM // 02:25

No, it is downright terrible. 1% armor penetration (which is on average what a perfect Sundering does) will only boost your damage by about 1.5%. That's what, 2 damage a minute?? Furious and Zealous is way better on warrior weapons (more skill spams), and Zealous is the string of choice for almost any Ranger.

Calrisian Nantos · Jul 24, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Really? I honestly dont see the point in a zealous string,that is untill they make one better than 1/-1,whats the point? I have all the energy I could ever need,I never run out and depending on my build,either trapper or sniper,I have atleast one skill on that costs 25 energy,and I never run out ever

Rajamic · Jul 24, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20

If you aren't having energy issues, then maybe a 5/1 Vampiric would be better. Or for a trapper don't even bother with a bow.

Most rangers spam skills as hard as they can, so they can do the most damage they can/harrass the spellcasters as best they can. This requires energy, even with 14 Expertise, especially if you are bringing a spell or 2. I honestly have to question how good of a job as a sniper you can be doing if you aren't having energy problems due to Tiger's Fury and Penetrating Shot spam.

A zealous shortbow will give you 2 energy in 4 seconds, at the cost of 4/3 of an energy. Add in Tiger's Fury and you can get it up as high as 3 energy in 4 seconds, for still the 4/3 of an energy.

Using with a normal level of TF will gain you about an extra pip of energy more than the one you lose for the string.

hotspur · Jul 24, 2005, 08:27 AM // 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlY_DeMoN

Mabye if you took the time to spell *your* words I would care.

Hmm, maybe he can't spell or is not a very good typist, ever thought of that? How stuck up your own backside is that?
"Cant use a keyboard as well as me so im not gona talk to him".

I find it very hard to type (this takes me ages) so ingame I tend to use abbreviations as I cant keep up with other players otherwise. Does this make me any less worthy of having a conversation with?
Now usualy I dont get upset about such things but I have been hearing a lot of similer comments recently.
SIY take a long walk off a short pier.......I D I O T.

Calrisian Nantos · Jul 24, 2005, 11:01 AM // 11:01

In response to Rajamic: I am mostley a trapper,and I use an insightful raven staff,this sniper build is new to me,so tell me this,why would I want to waist points in beastmastery for tf when I could just use Lightning reflexes? I really am genuinely curious about this,when I use my new so called sniper build,I have these skills equiped from left to right: Lightning refelxes>Barrage>distracting shot>savage shot>Concussion shot>precision shot and pindown(and ofcourse rez sig) and I never run out of energy,my marks is at 16,my expertise at 12,and I can spam all of these skills over and over with no energy problems,I use druids armor ofcourse,so enlighten me people!

bee65n · Jul 24, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Sundering is not worth it in my opinion. Again, I agree with the above posters. Use furious or zealous for axes and swords, and furious for hammers. For bows, sundering is actually a decent choice to me simply because i dislike vamp mods. The only alternative for me would be a zealous mod.

Rajamic · Jul 25, 2005, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calrisian Nantos

In response to Rajamic: I am mostley a trapper,and I use an insightful raven staff,this sniper build is new to me,so tell me this,why would I want to waist points in beastmastery for tf when I could just use Lightning reflexes? I really am genuinely curious about this,when I use my new so called sniper build....

This is getting way off topic, but there are 2 big things:
1) It only takes 3 attribute levels + a minor rune to get TF to last 7 seconds.
2) Both last 5-10 seconds. TF has a recharge time of 10 seconds. Lightning Reflexes is 60 second recharge. In 60 seconds, you get at best like 11 seconds of fast attack with LR, while TF with only BM of 4 (takes what, 6 attribute points?) gives you 42 seconds of the same faster attack.

Jul 23, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40	#1
wesam the wicked Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Drunken Panda Crew Profession: E/R	technical data on sundering upgrade...is it really worth it? hi i just wanted to ask if ne one had ne opinion or technical info on sundering mod, bow string in particular... i just wanna get some info on what impact it REALLy makes...and ive come up with this much so far... once in every 10 hits, ur weapon does X amount of damage extra... ne input is appreciated... thanks again

Jul 23, 2005, 04:55 PM // 16:55	#2
Mind Wallaby Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	No, it's not worth it. A perfect 10% Sundering upgrade will only decrease your target's armor by an expected 1%. That is, over a large number of hits, a perfect Sundering is equivalent to a constant 1% AP which is barely anything.

Jul 23, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57	#3
sino-soviet Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Israel before, CA now. Profession: R/Me	Basically, it is the worst upgrade for a bow you can possibly choose. Vampiric and zealous are infinitely better.

Jul 23, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10	#4
SlY_DeMoN Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005	Mabye if you took the time to spell your words I would care.

Jul 23, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33	#5
Mandy Memory Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Xen of Sigils [XoO] Profession: W/	I like my sundering sword. I could live with a barbed or furious though. Its not the worst upgrade (for swords at least) but its not the best.

Jul 24, 2005, 02:25 AM // 02:25	#6
Rajamic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: IA Guild: Chronicles of Heroes [CoH] Profession: R/Me	No, it is downright terrible. 1% armor penetration (which is on average what a perfect Sundering does) will only boost your damage by about 1.5%. That's what, 2 damage a minute?? Furious and Zealous is way better on warrior weapons (more skill spams), and Zealous is the string of choice for almost any Ranger.

Jul 24, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59	#7
Calrisian Nantos Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham Alabama Guild: Psychic Distraction[PD] Profession: R/	Really? I honestly dont see the point in a zealous string,that is untill they make one better than 1/-1,whats the point? I have all the energy I could ever need,I never run out and depending on my build,either trapper or sniper,I have atleast one skill on that costs 25 energy,and I never run out ever

Jul 24, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20	#8
Rajamic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: IA Guild: Chronicles of Heroes [CoH] Profession: R/Me	If you aren't having energy issues, then maybe a 5/1 Vampiric would be better. Or for a trapper don't even bother with a bow. Most rangers spam skills as hard as they can, so they can do the most damage they can/harrass the spellcasters as best they can. This requires energy, even with 14 Expertise, especially if you are bringing a spell or 2. I honestly have to question how good of a job as a sniper you can be doing if you aren't having energy problems due to Tiger's Fury and Penetrating Shot spam. A zealous shortbow will give you 2 energy in 4 seconds, at the cost of 4/3 of an energy. Add in Tiger's Fury and you can get it up as high as 3 energy in 4 seconds, for still the 4/3 of an energy. Using with a normal level of TF will gain you about an extra pip of energy more than the one you lose for the string.

Jul 24, 2005, 11:01 AM // 11:01	#10
Calrisian Nantos Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham Alabama Guild: Psychic Distraction[PD] Profession: R/	In response to Rajamic: I am mostley a trapper,and I use an insightful raven staff,this sniper build is new to me,so tell me this,why would I want to waist points in beastmastery for tf when I could just use Lightning reflexes? I really am genuinely curious about this,when I use my new so called sniper build,I have these skills equiped from left to right: Lightning refelxes>Barrage>distracting shot>savage shot>Concussion shot>precision shot and pindown(and ofcourse rez sig) and I never run out of energy,my marks is at 16,my expertise at 12,and I can spam all of these skills over and over with no energy problems,I use druids armor ofcourse,so enlighten me people!

Jul 24, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36	#11
bee65n Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	Sundering is not worth it in my opinion. Again, I agree with the above posters. Use furious or zealous for axes and swords, and furious for hammers. For bows, sundering is actually a decent choice to me simply because i dislike vamp mods. The only alternative for me would be a zealous mod.